20110319 Utah County Central Committee

This was an administrative meeting. We did not make a decision to change how to vote for the State Central Committee representatives. There was a fair amount of debate on the agenda and issues. The Committee as a whole approved Ivan Keller’s appointment though which has been going on for almost a year.
3/19/2011 8:35:03 AM Prayer Gary Taylor
3/19/2011 9:07:23 AM Pledge
3/19/2011 9:08:05 AM Welcome Taylor Oldroyd “We welcome Cedar Hills delegates since the Governor signed the district change.
We thank all our elected officials for what they do. We will do voting by raised credentials today. We are not going to set a time limit on debate speakers but may set a rule later.
A couple of comments on the agenda, that we didn’t print out the agenda since it may change. I know that you want to discuss immigration bills and resolution but the Executive committee wanted to postpone until we get more information. We also have heard about the Leg District 60 Vice Chair appointment. Some of the emails going around are about this. We want to adopt agenda, approve minutes, talk about LD60, reports and a couple of minutes about convention training, then C&B issues. If we move quickly then we can get to all the items.”
3/19/2011 9:12:42 AM Motion Arthur Brady After we approve minutes we consider the immigration resolution. Hold that we only allocate 10 minutes.
3/19/2011 9:16:37 AM Discussion Stan Lockhart I rise in opposition to the time limits that would be placed on this today. We want to see all sides of this issue and it would take more than 15 minutes. Without the time we won’t have the right informaiton. We cannot make the right decision without the time limit.
3/19/2011 9:17:44 AM Discussion David I was disappointed that some suggested vague concerns about this resolution. Each point is well documented. I believe that this body can make a good informed decision on this matter. Salt Lake Central was able to make this decision so I would suggest that we support this motion to amend the agenda.
3/19/2011 9:19:12 AM Discussion Richard Jaussi How many people have read HB 116 completely? I would like to take time to read it and understand it. The reason that we didn’t discuss the issues is that we don’t believe their was enough time there.
3/19/2011 9:20:41 AM Point of Information When could we discuss this again?
3/19/2011 9:24:09 AM Against Becky I hope that it is known that I feel quite strongly against 116. The bill is law at this point. I don’t want us to decide this in 15 minutes either. We should understand what is in the bill. I want us all to better understand what is in this bill. We need everyone to do their research. We need to get more data on how this impacts all of us. I don’t want us to make a snap decision.
3/19/2011 9:23:25 AM Favor We have become the party of postponing things. We need to start acting. I believe that we should move forward.
3/19/2011 9:24:24 AM Amend Not have a 15 minute time limit. Lets debate it if we want to.
3/19/2011 9:25:44 AM Favor Want to amend that we don’t have any time limit.
3/19/2011 9:27:28 AM Vote No time limit to discussion Passes
3/19/2011 9:28:40 AM Call the Question “Amendment to the agenda to discuss the resolution before aything else on the agenda.
Yea 127 Nay 148”
3/19/2011 9:34:50 AM Motion Amend agenda to add a no ending time and business before reports.
3/19/2011 9:36:10 AM Call the Question “Credentials is 306 attendees.
Yea [] Nay [] Visual on the Nays is obvious.”
3/19/2011 9:38:48 AM Motion Taylor Oldroyd Agenda adopted .
3/19/2011 9:40:26 AM Motion Taylor Oldroyd Ratification of Exec Committee confirmation that we appoint Ivan Keller as VC ov LD60.
3/19/2011 9:41:17 AM Vote Yea 190 Nay 71
3/19/2011 9:43:53 AM Information Taylor Oldroyd The Lincoln Day Dinner sold out and it was a wonderful evening. 58 tables and it was wonderful. Thanks for your support.
3/19/2011 9:44:51 AM Report Lisa Shepherd 306 is our top attendance, thank you for coming. We voted to postpone approval of minutes during the last meeting. You should have gotten the minutes in email. Some people comment on details. The meetings are long and so the details are long.
3/19/2011 9:46:16 AM Vote Taylor Oldroyd “Approve the minutes
Vocal vote – passes”
3/19/2011 9:49:02 AM Report Lisa Shepherd Precinct changes and appointments.
3/19/2011 9:49:10 AM Vote Taylor Oldroyd Vocal vote – passes
3/19/2011 9:49:40 AM Report Gary Taylor Treasurers report. We ended well under budget last year. We are waiting for a couple of checks from State GOP. We still have a net 4,000.00.
3/19/2011 9:51:08 AM Vote Taylor Oldroyd Accept report – passes
3/19/2011 9:51:24 AM Report Dan Holm Audit committee report. All funds have been reviewed. The Utah County Rep Party is exempt from Federal income tax. We have no requirements for income tax. This report is for year ending December 31, 2009. Gilbert and Stewart CPA.
3/19/2011 9:57:15 AM Motion Audit the envelopes.
3/19/2011 9:57:36 AM Against We have beaten this issue to death.
3/19/2011 9:58:12 AM Against Gary Taylor
3/19/2011 9:58:29 AM Against The extent of the full audit is out of the normal realm. The review has been done and that is good enough.
3/19/2011 9:59:15 AM Vote Taylor Oldroyd Aye – 5 Nay – others
3/19/2011 9:59:33 AM Report Becky Lockhart “It’s good to see all of you this morning. I know there are issues you want to hear about. We had 313 million dollars of deficit. We worked very diligently to fix that imbalance. We are down to only 50 millio. This reflects our fiscal conservatism. We take this budget very seriously. We didn’t raise taxes. We had to settle 6 million in lawsuits. We still have a few 100 millions in rainy day funds. You notice other states and what is going on twith them. We balance our budget and work on our structural issues.
We were able to fund education a little more than they asked. We had some reductions. There was some concerns at the beginning and our committees had to make some very hard decisions. We had some growth in revenue and some of those things returned. We reprioritized the programs of the state. We put the money where it needed to be. It was a useful and valueable process to go through.
We were able to pass a small bond for building some new buildings. We are going to help build a children’s portion of the State Hospital. This project has been at the top of the list for a number of years and we got it through this year.
This summer is redistricting. I am going to try to work on that in the next week or so. We are going to put together a joint session. We will be going on site visits. By the end of summer we should have maps drawn and a special session in October or November. We are going to be working on our 4th seat.
We are going to be purchasing a program where you can draw maps and submit them. We have an RFP out right now. That will help the general public get involved in this issue. I have been a champion of this. It is very importatn that everyone understands what we are doing. It should be available online in the next month. We will have a few gatherings here in Utah County.
The GRAMA bill is available online. I have read it multiple times. I would ask you to read it. I respect my colleagues in Utah County who voted against it. I respect those who voted according to their conscience.”
3/19/2011 10:08:04 AM Information John Dougal “Thank you. Speaker Lockhart does a great job up there. HB477 is a big bill. The news really likes it. There are some issues after 20 years of change since the beginning of GRAMA. In the state there is a lot of confusion about what is communication. The vast majority of people don’t consider a text message a Record.
One of the other key questions is who should pay for this. One of the things that I introduced was that the entity pay for it unless it is in the best interest of the public. There was money and time that we spent on a number of questions and nothing came out of it.
Currently when you go through senate approval there is no protection for you Social Security number. No privacy for you.
Where is the line when it comes to me personally and in office. Some say, just use your personal computer and phone. Anything that I might do on my computer is open. We have shifted from what is in the public interest to what is “”interesting.””
We have had requests about personal bank statements. I believe that is too far. I am very strong on open government and transparency. We have reached a point where we have veered off in to the idea that there is no personal life. I am trying to help us draw the line.
HB477 was never intended to be a final act. It was intended to be a beginning of a discussion. This is not where I intended this to go. It is diverging in to something more damaging. I apologize to those in the party that have been hurt by this.”
3/19/2011 10:13:51 AM Report Becky Lockhart I know there are a lot of those who may be here that have questions. I commit to staying here after if you have questions.
3/19/2011 10:14:22 AM Information Taylor Oldroyd I realized that I was supposed to be in Texas today so I am running and leave Mark Cluff in charge.
3/19/2011 10:14:53 AM Report Margaret Dayton “Thank you for coming all 306 of you. Congratulations to Ivan Keller for his willingness to serve. He and Julie have been great participants in the process. I am particularly grateful to all those who participate. I appreciate all of you who care.
Right after the session I attended my own nieces naturalization ceremony. Even though it was a small environment, there were hundreds. I am grateful for what happened there.
I was a Senate Sponsor for Steve Sandstroms bill. I was pleased to start with it but it got diluted. I am still pleased.
I did vote against HB116.
The GRAMA bill is something that I am glad they reported on. I don’t know if you know that all of what we do is online. You can go and listen to any meeting we have had. Anybody that contributes and campaign spending is online. There were some of those who we asked that didn’t know what they could get to online. We want to make information available.
You have always been involved and tuned in and I am grateful for that. As we began this mornings meeting with prayer and pledge we also do in our Senate.
In Boston, MA where I grew up we had prayer, pledge and scripture. I defend and support that. I am grateful for that.
One of the changes in the Senate is that Senator Buttars is leaving for his family and health. Please send him a note if you would like.
We only have 45 days and this is an amazingly efficient group. There has to be dedicated and focus work. 800 bills ended out with language. I am Chair of Rules and we don’t send all the bills out even. Because there has been so much focus on GRAMA you missed out on all the others.
The most important issue was immigration. There was also a concern that you were funding agencies that were only open 4 days a week. That changed back to the 5 day work week. The taxpayers funded those agencies. We need those offices open. The building permit options and other things.
We also worked for the past 3 years on UEA changes. The school cannot pay wages to those who are out on UEA business. Our taxpayer money will not be funding union dues anymore. That money will go to education.
A very high profile case involving Elizabeth Smart came before me. We wanted to increase protection for teenagers in the courts. We want them to have more time before they appear and we ran a series of bills that will help future children.
There has been some confusion about higher education students. I have a constituent who votes here and pays taxes here but is stationed in Norway. His daughter came here and was charged out of state tuition and I got a bill through. We were able to have him in Afghanistan report on this bill at the hearing. I am so glad that technology is available to do that.
It is a wonderful opportunity to participate in this process. Thank you for your time.”
3/19/2011 10:28:58 AM Information Mark Cluff We have a little over an hour and a half. I don’t think we need to limit at this point. We have a bit of convention training from Adrielle and then we will get on with our C&B portion.
3/19/2011 10:29:51 AM Training Adrielle Herring “We have our organizing convention which is very important. We have put together some things to help new delegates be more effective at this meeting.
We provide an organization chart. We will have a convention comparison. What to expect at convention. Steering Committee, Party Officer and State Central Committee responsibilities.
We owe new delegates the service to train them.”
3/19/2011 10:35:49 AM Business Mark Cluff One name to approve here.
3/19/2011 10:38:02 AM Report Kirby Glad “I represent the C&B committee. There are 7 members that are elected by you. I represent the committee. As I cover each item I will make a motion to cover the item. Ivan Keller was elected to be the Vice Chair of the committee. Mike Taylor was asked to join the committee and that is for your information. We have 9 proposals. All of them have to do with the convention so we need to move forward on them. Some have asked why C103 is at the end, it is because it was the last one received.
If you are not heard for any reason let me know and we will have you heard. If you did not get a copy of the items then you need to get with the secretary to give her an email.”
3/19/2011 10:43:06 AM Motion Accept the Platform change
3/19/2011 10:43:29 AM Against I am for entitlement reform but I don’t think we want this level of detail.
3/19/2011 10:44:07 AM Favor John Bastian I believe that anything we can do to help our representatives have a platform to back them. TO remind of reform is good.
3/19/2011 10:44:44 AM Favor Becky I am in favor of this.
3/19/2011 10:45:01 AM Against Dan Burton I know that people have concerns. I would recommend that we not adopt this because of its specifics.
3/19/2011 10:46:01 AM Favor Jared Law This should have been in the platform a number of years ago. We will get attacked when we do this or not do this. Let’s do this to be clear.
3/19/2011 10:46:35 AM Against The language is critical and if reform happens, then we will still be calling for reform.
3/19/2011 10:47:11 AM Amend Susan Bramble Take out details after reform.
3/19/2011 10:47:58 AM Second
3/19/2011 10:48:16 AM Favor Dean Sanpei I agree that we need reform but specifics are not helpful.
3/19/2011 10:50:03 AM Against Jared Law The last phrase is a statement of principle and we can’t wrtie that out.
3/19/2011 10:51:00 AM Favor Wendy Bagley I am in favor. Do we have a standing rule to not allow amendments on the floor?
3/19/2011 10:52:13 AM Information Mark Cluff We do not have a method against or for amendments on platforms.
3/19/2011 10:52:27 AM Amend Amend the amendment.
3/19/2011 10:53:06 AM Acceptance Susan Bramble Accept that as a friendly amendment.
3/19/2011 10:53:25 AM Favor Becky I think we want the greater specifics.
3/19/2011 10:53:53 AM Call the Question Paul Steve
3/19/2011 10:54:18 AM Vote Mark Cluff “End debate.
–Read the new Platform–”
3/19/2011 10:55:39 AM Against Dana Layton I am for reform but I believe this should be principle based and less specific. We are close but this is still circular and is not princple based.
3/19/2011 10:56:45 AM Favor I speak in favor of the amendment which I believe now states the principle well. We want to protect those who have contributed so much.
3/19/2011 10:57:23 AM Call the Question Favor of ending debate – Passes.
3/19/2011 10:57:42 AM Vote Mark Cluff Platform change passes.
3/19/2011 10:58:35 AM Information Lowell Nelson Can we display the changes on screen?
3/19/2011 10:58:52 AM Information Mark Cluff Don’t have a computer that can do that.
3/19/2011 10:59:10 AM Motion Kirby Glad Platform 102 adoption
3/19/2011 11:01:14 AM Favor The opposition is against Alpine School District. Thre are those who are working on championing democracies here and throughout the world. Democracy is a process, not a form of government. We must recommit ourselves to what is our government – republican. We want to remember what a republic is.
3/19/2011 11:01:27 AM Against I think this is not worthy of our official documents.
3/19/2011 11:01:43 AM Favor Wendy Bagley I actually just applied at the legislature with HB 220. My 5th grader was introduced to what our country is. I love the education curriculum except what is in the history. There was not a single reference to republicanism just democracy. I went to UEN and its core and it did not discuss what a Republic is. Our children should know the differences. Please adopt this as our platform. We have a proper role now we need a proper form.
3/19/2011 11:04:18 AM Amend It should state a compound republic.
3/19/2011 11:05:06 AM Acceptance I accept that as a friendly amendment to the Platform amendment.
3/19/2011 11:05:29 AM Favor Curt Bramble Our state constitution guarantees through referendum and initiative. The legislature has set a pretty stiff bar. To reflect compound means we recognize locally referenda and sets it high.
3/19/2011 11:06:36 AM Vote Compound is added as per vocal vote.
3/19/2011 11:07:09 AM Favor I appreciate this being brought up. I am at BYU and this is a huge problem there. I have a professor who promotes socialist principles in our classes. This is a very important principle.
3/19/2011 11:08:43 AM Favor I know that professor at BYU. It is sometimes called a redundant statement but I believe that it is important that we recognize this.
3/19/2011 11:09:03 AM Against Jeremy I like this idea in principle, but having studied the form of government in school, this is way to simplistic. This doesn’t really descirbe well what our country really is.
3/19/2011 11:09:54 AM Call the Question Jared Law
3/19/2011 11:10:02 AM Vote “Platform 102
Passes vocal vote”
3/19/2011 11:11:12 AM Motion Kirby Glad “Constitutional amendment ratification by majority vote.
C101 – this proposal does not change anything in the composition but allows officers to vote in their caucus meetings. Someone noted that those officers, not being listed, means that they should not be able to vote. We feel that it was an oversight and that we should move this forward so that they can vote.”
3/19/2011 11:14:50 AM Suspend No need to debate and move straight to a vote to adopt. This requires a 2/3 vote.
3/19/2011 11:15:41 AM Vote Mark Cluff Yea 181 Nay 94 – Fails
3/19/2011 11:20:15 AM Motion Kirby Glad Move the adoption.
3/19/2011 11:20:32 AM Against We elect people to be our officers in our LD. I don’t think it is a appropriate for them to have an additional voice.
3/19/2011 11:21:22 AM Favor John Bastian Simple is better. This is a simplification of the code. If we need to amend it to exclude the steering committee then that is fine.
3/19/2011 11:21:56 AM Against I am an advocate for representation and the delegates being heard. We could make it ultra simple if we elect a king. This tips the scale of representation towards one group of people.
3/19/2011 11:22:47 AM Information Lowell Nelson It is not clear who we are excluding. Can we project that?
3/19/2011 11:23:43 AM Motion Table this item until the end.
3/19/2011 11:24:00 AM Second
3/19/2011 11:24:03 AM Call the Question
3/19/2011 11:24:13 AM End Debate Passes vocal
3/19/2011 11:24:27 AM Vote Passes vocal
3/19/2011 11:24:42 AM Motion Kirby Glad C102 is the next. This was referred by the executive committee. This will change the status of the committee chairs. I am a precinct chair so it would not effect me personally but will effect others.
3/19/2011 11:26:18 AM Against Lisa Shepherd The audit committee chair is not in the list of credentials. My reason for changing is that if a precinct filters out people that they don’t want to have represent them, then that is their choice. I believe that this could be a perpetual cycle for just 2 members of the party.
3/19/2011 11:27:38 AM Favor Wendy Bagley I wanted to point out that these two chairs must already be members of their central committee. I was redistricted out but I would not have been eligible to run again if I were out of my district.
3/19/2011 11:28:49 AM Against Jared Jardine This is a rule change for a very rare situation. Whenever there is a rare circumstance, just wait and run again.
3/19/2011 11:29:32 AM Favor Dan Hone I saw this happen with the previous audit chair. Both standing committees are part of this body. Due to circumstances when they were elected in August, they lost their voting power even though they held the position until March.
3/19/2011 11:30:52 AM Against I voted in favor but I am now opposed for the same reasons as Lisa and Jared. They don’t have to be members of the committee to give their report.
3/19/2011 11:31:41 AM Favor Laralyn Ebertine Our understanding is that it was an oversight. One of my concerns is that when the elections are offset we need to coordinate this better.
3/19/2011 11:32:51 AM Point of Information Do we have to put this in the Constitution?
3/19/2011 11:33:49 AM Against You want your committees to be impartial.
3/19/2011 11:34:19 AM Information The constitution says that they should be representatives of the body.
3/19/2011 11:34:48 AM Against They were originally elected to represent their precinct.
3/19/2011 11:35:11 AM Call the Question
3/19/2011 11:35:42 AM Vote “C102 needs 2/3 of the body to approve.
Yea insufficient Nay”
3/19/2011 11:37:40 AM Motion Kirby Glad B131 This eliminates the requirement of formally approving describing who we are at each convention. Straight to approve by 2/3 without debate.
3/19/2011 11:39:46 AM Vote 2/3 vote – passes
3/19/2011 11:39:55 AM Motion Kirby Glad Bylaw 127 specifically states that we not allow people to count the votes for their own office. Straight to approve by 2/3 without debate.
3/19/2011 11:41:02 AM Vote 2/3 vote – passes
3/19/2011 11:41:14 AM Motion Kirby Glad “Bylaw 128a the choosing of State Central committee member by Senate districts
Bylaw 128b the choosing of State Central committee members by new districts”
3/19/2011 11:45:14 AM Discussion Bylaw 128b amendment
3/19/2011 11:45:30 AM Motion Postpone until after 102 and 103
3/19/2011 11:45:58 AM Second
3/19/2011 11:46:08 AM Point of Information If 128a passed doesn’t it effect our April 30 convention?
3/19/2011 11:46:42 AM Answer Mark Cluff Yes.
3/19/2011 11:47:13 AM Against We need to debate and discuss this since it influences our convention.
3/19/2011 11:47:50 AM Favor We need more time and we have a month to absorb this.
3/19/2011 11:49:40 AM Motion Extend the meeting time.
3/19/2011 11:49:50 AM Information Lowell Nelson Isn’t it to end at 12:00
3/19/2011 11:49:59 AM Answer Mark Cluff
3/19/2011 11:50:20 AM Information Card says 9am to 12am
3/19/2011 11:51:16 AM Call the Question Postpone to end of meeting.
3/19/2011 11:52:17 AM Motion Extend to 1pm
3/19/2011 11:54:59 AM Vote 107 for 142 against
3/19/2011 11:59:02 AM Adjourn
3/19/2011 11:59:05 AM Vote Standing count
3/19/2011 12:00:35 PM Adjourn Mark Cluff

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