20111117 UT County Central Committee

This meeting was held at Orem High School in Orem. It was one of the less effective meetings I have attended. It did, however, provide some insights in to how frustrated some people are. I actually recorded a bit of video at the end. click here for video I don’t know whether it is a good thing to have this or not since it was so unpleasant for some.

When Action Who What
11/17/2011 6:55:51 PM Arrival Merrill About 70. [Credentials was different. No band. Girl mentioned that it was good I was on the list since others weren’t?]
11/17/2011 7:14:09 PM Call To Order Dave Acheson Ben Summerrall -prayer
11/17/2011 7:14:30 PM Prayer
11/17/2011 7:15:53 PM Pledge Dave Acheson
11/17/2011 7:15:59 PM Welcome Dave Acheson Welcome to the making of sausage. We need 100 precinct chairs and vice chairs to have a quorum.
11/17/2011 7:18:10 PM Point of Information My vice chair wasn’t on the list and they are here with me.
11/17/2011 7:16:55 PM Point of Information Dave Acheson I will accept them.
11/17/2011 7:19:02 PM Point of Order We saw that over 50% of the attendees were not on the list. Also, there are edits that happened to the list outside during the check-in. How can we conduct business?
11/17/2011 7:19:46 PM Clarification Dave Acheson Some have asked that this meeting not proceed with business due to this problem. Perhaps the appropriate people are not here or inappropriate people are here.
11/17/2011 7:20:28 PM Motion … to invalidate this meeting due to missing information.
11/17/2011 7:20:55 PM Discussion Dave Duncan “Tonight is my wedding anniversary and I made an effort to be here.
My wife got a macbook air tonight. I think that I would like to see us proceed with some business.
I am not happy with the credentialing snafu. I credentialed some from my district tonight. I think that it would be a shame to be here and call off the meeting.”
11/17/2011 7:22:02 PM Clarification Dave Acheson If we did decide that no votes would be taken I would still present our operations and discussion on the items that are presented tonight.
11/17/2011 7:22:58 PM Favor Michelle Bray “My name was not on the list and the decision will effect 1200 people-ish.
This should not be suspect about our vote tonight.”
11/17/2011 7:23:38 PM Against Laralyn Ebertine I undersand the concern about small turnout but postponing the business is not adequate reason. My concern over the credentialling is true. But this would set a precedent that should those in leadership … then those who want to delay. Substitute motion that Leg districts validate the current individuals in order to have some legitimacy. [a form of re-credentialing]
11/17/2011 7:25:13 PM Against We have a quorum
11/17/2011 7:25:23 PM Against We don’t want to set a precedent we must be credentialed. We could consider a permanent physical credential.
11/17/2011 7:25:57 PM Point of Information James Howard “Provo 49 vice chair. I have been chair or vice chair of that district. We have 20 pages that a select few of us have and what we are talking about doing tonight. We are supposed to receive stuff by email or mail.
My point is that my wife called me in Boise and told me that an important meeting was happening tonight. I may have missed something. I made an attempt to get here. It doesn’t seem fair that this was not a regularyly called meeting.”
11/17/2011 7:28:02 PM Favor Provo 30 I don’t think that we honestly have a quorum of credentialed people here. It is not fair to conduct the business and make changes.
11/17/2011 7:28:20 PM Point of Information Didn’t we say it was a quorum.
11/17/2011 7:28:59 PM Favor Keri Witte “It is very important to protect the vote. This is too important an issue so we do not know who is supposed to be voting. This must be done before the next January meeting. We need to know whether the people who are running in January will be delegates.
This is important to do right.”
11/17/2011 7:29:58 PM Favor I agree that this is time that should be recognized. But we are talking about legal proceedings. In the past we have received wrist bands. I don’t know whose responsibility this was but they need to take responsibility for it. I can say that I am a chair but no one knows who I am.
11/17/2011 7:30:55 PM Point of Information Dave Acheson I take full responsibility for this problem.
11/17/2011 7:31:08 PM Point of Information Jared Law I have never been to a meeting where credentialing has been so disorganized. That person, if they are not fulfilling their responsiblities then they should step down. We want the work of the party to continue to go forward.
11/17/2011 7:31:50 PM Point of Information Dave Acheson I take full responsibility.
11/17/2011 7:32:17 PM Point of Information Laralyn Ebertine Do we not…, some way through your records, Jeremy? That outside was out of order.
11/17/2011 7:33:10 PM Against It is not going to matter unless it is a close vote. We can write our vote with our name and sign it.
11/17/2011 7:33:56 PM Adjourn Immediate vote on motion to Adjourn. No’s have it
11/17/2011 7:34:28 PM Call the Question
11/17/2011 7:34:57 PM Motion To censure Jeremy Roberts.
11/17/2011 7:35:18 PM Point of Information Dave Duncan
11/17/2011 7:36:57 PM Motion Dave Duncan Postpone meeting until December 3.
11/17/2011 7:37:24 PM Discussion Is it possible to separate because we might be in favor of postponing but don’t think December will work. I would vote for postponing business but don’t want it in December.
11/17/2011 7:38:04 PM Point of Order My substitute was that we re-credential using lists.
11/17/2011 7:38:58 PM Against
11/17/2011 7:39:28 PM Point of Information Can we verify the integrity of the list? If we can’t then it will not be valid.
11/17/2011 7:39:46 PM Jeremy Roberts I have the accurate list on my computer.
11/17/2011 7:40:06 PM Against My experience has been if it is not a credentialing. …. this idea that his id is different is silly.
11/17/2011 7:41:12 PM Favor The reason why is that this is a house of order and we have rules. The credentials process I … this is nothing like a competent secretary.
11/17/2011 7:41:58 PM Point of Information Jeff Strain Precinct chair … things are different here. We are educated enough.
11/17/2011 7:42:18 PM Call the Question Jeff Strain
11/17/2011 7:42:29 PM Point of Order Lisa Shepherd This attendance needs to be recorded.
11/17/2011 7:42:51 PM Vote No have it on a standing vote.
11/17/2011 7:43:51 PM Call the Question “On the prior motion. We do not have accurate information. …..
[Big debate]”
11/17/2011 7:47:29 PM Division “The chair rules an obvious standing vote.
He finds that 2/3 is not met.”
11/17/2011 7:48:18 PM Call the Question “Original substitute motion.
No business tonight, present and move business to December 3.”
11/17/2011 7:49:19 PM Point of Order Restatement of the motion is needed.
11/17/2011 7:49:33 PM Point of Information Can we get a postcard for the meeting?
11/17/2011 7:50:05 PM Vote Nos have it.
11/17/2011 7:50:17 PM Division No’s have it.
11/17/2011 7:50:51 PM Point of Information What was the count?
11/17/2011 7:50:59 PM Call the Question On the original motion to not conduct business.
11/17/2011 7:51:17 PM Division “Ayes counted standing
Nos counted standing 90 aye 97 no We are conducting the business of the body.”
11/17/2011 7:56:17 PM Point of Information Dave Acheson I would like Adrielle to stand. It is with a great amount of sadness that I let you know that she has resigned as Vice Chair of the Utah County Republican party. Adrielle, no longer being a part of this body, I am asking you if you would allow her to address us later in this meeting.
11/17/2011 7:57:14 PM Motion Since we do not have an agenda for this meeting I move that this meeting adjourn at 9:00 pm.
11/17/2011 7:58:22 PM Point of Information Dave Acheson “The agenda has been on the website. We will be doing officer reports, our 2012 strategy and then the C&B committee will make their presentation.
And this agenda has a time specific of 9:00 pm so yes we should be okay.”
11/17/2011 7:59:50 PM Vote “End at 9pm.
Ayes have it with a standing vote.”
11/17/2011 8:00:41 PM Motion Re-order C&B to the top of the agenda.
11/17/2011 8:01:23 PM Point of Information I can’t see it [the agenda]. It is not in my hand.
11/17/2011 8:01:34 PM Point of Information Dave Acheson “It was on the website and I will read it to you. [read off agenda from mic]
I want a privilege to make an announcement.”
11/17/2011 8:02:26 PM Division
11/17/2011 8:02:33 PM Point of Information Dave Acheson We have moved on
11/17/2011 8:03:00 PM Point of Order Becky Lockhart We have called division and you have not recognized that. It is our right.
11/17/2011 8:03:41 PM Point of Information Dave Acheson
11/17/2011 8:04:06 PM Motion Adopt agenda as amended.
11/17/2011 8:04:37 PM Point of Information Dave Acheson I am announcing the new vice-chair and it is Bonnie Morrow. It is with the acclamation of the Executive committee and now with the central committee
11/17/2011 8:05:16 PM Information Bonnie Morrow “I am from 49 and you are a very exciting group and I am happy to be here.
I would enteratain a motion that she be appointed as our new vice chair.”
11/17/2011 8:06:06 PM Vote Ayes have it.
11/17/2011 8:06:25 PM Business Constitution and Bylaws committee. Let’s get through this.
11/17/2011 8:07:03 PM Motion To approve Chair and Vice Chair Lisa Shepherd and Kristin Chevrier.
11/17/2011 8:07:29 PM Vote Ayes have it.
11/17/2011 8:07:36 PM Business Lisa Shepherd “The committee has met and worked for hundred of hours. With everything up and down. I think I am going to wet my pants.
We are going to set up boards for your discussion and convenience. We have started our own facebook group.
We have set up subcommittees.
We belted out in our committee.
The role of the committee is to save you time.
I made 100 copies so you can get one from here up front.”
11/17/2011 8:09:28 PM Report Lisa Shepherd We want to adopt Roberts Rules of order 11th edition that was adopted on 9/24. We have voted as a committee to adopt this.
11/17/2011 8:10:07 PM Motion Move that we adopt and accept B113.
11/17/2011 8:10:18 PM Vote Ayes have it
11/17/2011 8:10:38 PM Point of Privilege Lisa Shepherd “Instead of
“Point of Information” in the new – “Request for Information” is the new phrase to use versus “”point of information””.”
11/17/2011 8:11:49 PM Motion Lisa Shepherd B114a 4 for 2 against. 5 for 10 against in the executive committee.
11/17/2011 8:13:08 PM Request for Information Precinct vice chair. I have got conflicting questions on it. Does it mean that the precinct chairs and vice chairs are automatic? My husaband was not allowed to be a delegate when he was a Chair.
11/17/2011 8:13:53 PM Answer Lisa Shepherd “This bylaw does not effect precinct chairs. It only effects ex-oficio.
We have been allocated 687 delegates. Currently we take 78 of those and distribute based on the voter strength ballots.
Based upon your Republican ballots, if you voted for Republican on the ballot for Governor, AG and Auditor then you have a “Republican” ballot.
This number of strength is calculated based on the whole numbers.”
11/17/2011 8:16:43 PM Point of Information Who are they allocated to?
11/17/2011 8:17:21 PM Answer Lisa Shepherd Highest fractions get the delegates. This will not effect the precinct chairs.
11/17/2011 8:18:11 PM Question When I get my delegates and I have a strong delegation and then I do the work of the party. And then these people are not on the list at the county meeting ….
11/17/2011 8:19:00 PM Answer Lisa Shepherd It is based solely on the people who vote and the ballots are counted that way but the strength is not based on who those delegates were.
11/17/2011 8:20:00 PM Question “Can you explain before we pass control to the chair, can you explain the difference between B114A and B114B is that in 114a will get rid of all delegates. A would have to have all the language removed.
We will go over A and then work on B.”
11/17/2011 8:21:31 PM Answer A takes away all automatic delegates including for Leg Chairs.
11/17/2011 8:21:51 PM Question Chad Bunn How does it effect the leg chairs?
11/17/2011 8:22:23 PM Question Anyone who is elected at the precinct stays. This only effects those who are not elected at the precinct.
11/17/2011 8:22:58 PM Question Leg chairs?
11/17/2011 8:23:05 PM Answer Lisa Shepherd “Yes. Every office that is ex-ofico and yes it does effect the leg chairs.
If you want leg chairs then you will vote No on A and vote for a change to B.”
11/17/2011 8:23:42 PM Question I wonder if our state officers can become delegates?
11/17/2011 8:23:55 PM Answer Lisa Shepherd Every person will have to go to their precinct.
11/17/2011 8:24:33 PM Question So if someone wants to run then they would have to go to their precincts.
11/17/2011 8:25:04 PM Answer Lisa Shepherd Remember we are not addressing county positions in this.
11/17/2011 8:25:21 PM Question Taylor Oldroyd You are talking about only A or B but how about no change?
11/17/2011 8:25:35 PM Answer Lisa Shepherd You can vote no to both Bylaws.
11/17/2011 8:25:56 PM Information Lisa Shepherd “If 114 A fails you can still vote for it by voting for a different version of B.
I will explain this ballot where you can vote on this tonight so that you understand what you are voting for.
One other comment. We are not in this trying to determine legality. We are only asking what we want. Do we want to retain or remove.
Only 130 surveys were returned and now we have brought it back for you. We think that some did not understand what was happening. We think this is the most fair way for us to do this.
I turn the time back to the chair.”
11/17/2011 8:28:25 PM Point of Information “I like to point out that the formula that we use to get state delegates is identical to how they allocate to the county.
If the current practice is that we set some aside for special people, I just wonder if the state were to do the same thing based on special people, then all of us would be screaming about it.
Do we feel the same about the little precinct?
They deserve the same percentage that they should have. They don’t have the muscle. I want to hear a sense of the body.”
11/17/2011 8:30:34 PM Against “Against A. I feel that some seats are inappropriate. Some have said they don’t want the seats. I have the seat to go to someone who will go. I feel that some bright and intelligent people will vote.
I don’t know that leg chairs should get a prize. I want intelligent heads to be able to go their.
We are a grassroots party.”
11/17/2011 8:32:32 PM Motion Limit comment debates to 1 minute.
11/17/2011 8:32:46 PM Vote Ayes have it.
11/17/2011 8:32:55 PM Arthur Brady “Precinct 3. The implications here, as a Senator Bramble example. 16% of those who were eligible to vote at the precinct level could vote for him.
I would appreciate him confirming what the moral justification is for having so many thumbs on the scale.”
11/17/2011 8:34:08 PM Against Stan Lockhart “I have a view of history. During the last 40 years the ex-oficio that we are talking about is the one that the prime duty is to not be at their own caucus. They are supposed to make sure that the districts have good informaiton. They aren’t supposed to be there at their own precinct.
The elected officials are working together with you by being here. Vote this down.”
11/17/2011 8:36:04 PM Favor Keri Witte We have those who were denied a delegate. I told my husband that I was going to vote against my own position. The precincts have earned this fight. The delegates are more responsive to their precincts.
11/17/2011 8:36:58 PM Against Mike Terry The email we received last night included arguments that it is a violation of the state party constitution. There was a YouTube video that made the same arguments which are false. In 2008 and 2010 they sued in the state district court and the court ruled against them. Those decisions have not been overturned. Those decisions constitute law.
11/17/2011 8:38:21 PM Motion Vote on B114 in either form or do we not want to get rid of any. If there are enough to say lets move on then let’s do it.
11/17/2011 8:39:11 PM Lisa Shepherd …we have to do option A then we have to go with the language.
11/17/2011 8:39:57 PM Question “Which would be allowed in B unless you vote no.
You have to have the final format language.”
11/17/2011 8:40:55 PM Motion Let’s get the question of A or B done.
11/17/2011 8:41:23 PM Out of Order That motion is out of order.
11/17/2011 8:41:32 PM Favor I am in favor of removing ex-ofio delegates. We are not the Democrat party which is the party of elites. I would call the question.
11/17/2011 8:42:20 PM Point of Information Dave Acheson If you want to preserve the current system you vote No on both of them.
11/17/2011 8:42:47 PM Call the Question
11/17/2011 8:43:00 PM Question “We are voting to close debate on B114A.
54 nays so that means they did not get the 2/3 to close debate. (GROANS on the math)”
SEE VIDEO for details here

11/17/2011 8:51:33 PM Point of Information But the last vote was 90 to 97 so that isn’t right.
11/17/2011 8:52:35 PM Division “136 ayes for closing debate
55 nos and it fails
GROAN!!!”
11/17/2011 9:01:04 PM Suspend To suspend the rules and not adjourn. 128 favor to extend 64 no it fails we stand adjourned.